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A quote from Showell's Dictionary of Birmingham, which appears to have been completed and printed in 1884 - has dates of events up to 1883.
Rebus.—Poking fun at our town is no new game, as may be seen by the following local rebus (by "Dardanus") copied from the Gentlemen's Magazine of 1752:—
"Take three-fourths of a creature which many admire,
That's often confined in a castle of wire;
Three-fourths of a herb that the garden doth yield,
And a term used by husbandmen ploughing the field;
With that part of a swine which is now much in fashion,
And a town you'll discover in this brave English nation."

The answer was Bird, Mint, G, and Ham—Birmingham,
the scribe who poetically replied, [**]inding-up by saying that it was
"A town that in trading excels half the nation,
Because, Jove be thanked, there is no Corporation!"

From a Rootsweb letter by on Sat, 01 Nov 2008 and from on Wednesday, 7 March 2012
David Young was wed on 30 December 1792 to Ann Brown at Aston and had 8 children.
I found 6 named, using FamilySearch
   1. David Young Christening: 31 Jan 1796 St John, Deritend and Bordesley, Warwick, England
   2. Susannah Young Christening: 11 Feb 1798 St John, Deritend and Bordesley,
   3. George Young Christening: 28 Dec 1802 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick,
   4. Edward Young Christening: 29 May 1806 Saint Martin, Birmingham, died 16 April 1880 in Lawrence, N.S.W
   5. John Young Christening: 03 Apr 1809 Saint Martin, Birmingham,
   6. Sarah Young Christening: 11 Mar 1811 Saint Martin, Birmingham,
   7. Twin Hannah Young, born 01 August 1814 in St Martins Birmingham.
   8. Twin Henry Young, born 01 August 1814 in St Martins Birmingham.
   9. William Young, born 26 September 1816 in St Martins Birmingham.

"ASTON, a parish in the Birmingham division of the hundred of Hemlingford, in the county of Warwick, 2 miles to the N. of Birmingham. A large part of the parish lies within the borough of Birmingham. It is situated in the valley of the river Tame, across which the London and North Western railway is carried on a handsome viaduct of ten arches. There is a station at Aston. The Birmingham and Farsley canal also runs along the valley. Aston parish in 1868 comprised of 12 churches within its bounds.
The family moved to Birmingham parish before 1802 when George was Christened.
St Martin is the original parish church of Birmingham. It stands between the Bull Ring shopping centre and the markets. It is famous for its bells - There were four bells in 1552, together with a clock and chime. Six bells were put up in 1682. It is known that in 1745 when John Wesley preached in the Bull Ring the bells were rung in an attempt to drown his voice.
In July 1758 the eight bells were replaced by a new peal of ten, twelve in 1772. The frame in which the bells were rehung dated from 1869 and trouble with the frame led to a scheme of total renovation in 1991, with a new peal of 16 bells installed - in 2008 only three rings of sixteen exist in the world.

Map of Birmingham 1819 Matching this small section to the larger map in genfiles was a test, but matching it to a modern map was a challenge.
Park St and Moor St on the right hand side of St Martin's, are roughly going to the north from St Martins, and Bromsgrove St is now divided from Moat Lane by a large shopping market area.
Birmingham was a very poor part of London where eating and working were a day to day prospect. A lot of the poorer people were employed in the brass industry. George’s father was making brass fittings, George was employed as a jewellers apprentice. The employees were only taught part of the business so they never learnt the full process of making jewellery, so they couldn’t set up a business on their own. George was 16 when he found himself on the wrong side of the law. The original court records were destroyed in WW2. The Warwick and Warwickshire Advertiser of 14 Aug 1819 had printed the Assizes of the time. The Assizes Court was a travelling court. The police would hold suspects in prison until the Assizes court sat, the prisoners would all be heard and sentenced, the court would arrive in town every couple of months.
Ken Young reports that he has not been able to track down court records of the trial but from the "Warwick Advertiser" published on Saturday, 14th August 1819, has learned the following;
   George Young and James Ensall were both 16 years of age and were indicted for stealing brushes from the shop of Mr. Holt, a brush maker, in Birmingham.
   Thos. Ryder, a mere boy, being sworn, deposed that he met the prisoner Mr Young in Bull St, Birmingham, who asked him “If he was fly”, witness did not know what he meant but said ‘Yes’ Young added “that if he was not fly he would knock his damned brains out”
   Young went into Holt’s shop to Ensall, who was an apprentice to Holt, the latter gave Young two parcels of brushes. Witnesses saw the brushes given through the window.
   Young then came out of the shop and witness joined him, when he said they should go to Aston Furnace – the prisoner Young said a boy was to meet him there.
From Aston Furnace, a Photograph of Furnace Lane, from Clifford Street towards Gerrard Street (north). Furnace Lane led to the former site of the Aston Furnace of 1615. The houses date c. 1870. The photograph was taken in late 1968.
They went and waited a quarter of an hour but no one came. Young then went to the Orange Tree Public House, in Hill st, Birmingham and Young, taking the Landlord aside showed him the brushes which he took upstairs. Young told the witness to join him at 9 o’clock, witness went away and called again, when Young said he had fenced the brushes to the Landlord and had got the money.
From Showell, alpha order,
Balsall Heath.—In some ancient deeds called "Boswell Heath." The land round Mary street, known as the Balsall Heath estate, was sold in building lots (234) in 1839.
Orange Tree.—This public-house was built in 1780, the neighbourhood being then known as "Boswell Heath." A walk to the Orange Tree over the "hilly fields," where Conybere and other streets now are, was a pleasant Sunday morning ramble even forty years back.

   On 30-6th, witness again saw Young who told him he was going to have more brushes of Mr. Holt’s shop, Ensall and Young remained there together – witness stood at the corner of the street, and when the shop was opened, Young and Ensall went in and the latter gave the former 11 cloth brushes and 5 tooth brushes – Young and the witness again proceed to the Orange Tree and Young offered the Landlord a brush for a cup of ale, which he agreed on, the rest of the brushes were given to the landlord.
   The following week witness met Young who told him he was going to “serve out old Holt again” and begged witness to be with him at 5 in the morning. He accordingly went, and saw Ensall give Young more brushes, this was on the 6th July and on the 7th witness gave information to Mr.Holt of the robbery.
   By some unfortunate delay, the Orange Tree was not searched until the 17th when the goods were found, but the Landlord had contrived to make his escape. These youthful delinquesnts after an impressive address from the Judge were sentenced to be transported for 14 years .

George Young

George Young aged 23 came from Surrey, arrived 09 Apr 1825 on the Lady East left Falmouth on 16 Dec 1824, a farm labourer, 7 years, from Farnham, single, protestant. Worked in James Langford's Hop Garden, Guildford Pond, Surrey, UK. Charged with house breaking.

The convict records held in Sydney, Australia show George as 16 years of age, 5ft 2” tall. Light grey eyes and brown hair. Convict records held in Tasmania show George transported for 7 years for larceny. He sailed from Spithead near Southhampton on 27/10/1819 and arrived at His Majesties store ship Coromandel on 12/03/1820, 137 days at sea. The ships records show George was a Jewellers Apprentice, he had a tattoo of an anchor on his left arm, hand pricked.
The Hobart Town Gazette, 18/03/1820 showed: Yesterday morning, at 7 o’clock, 50 male prisoners from His Majesties storeship Coromandel were landed at Kangaroo Point for Port Dalrymple, and inspected there by His Honour the Lt. Governor. Upon His Honour’s return to the side if the river, 100 more from the Coromandel were landed at Hobart Town, who were chiefly assigned to the service of the settlers. The whole of the prisoners by this vessel arrived in a healthy state, none died on the passage. The remaining 150 now on board, we understand are destined for Port Jackson, to which place the Coromandel will proceed next week”
The diet on board the ships would have been like the gaol menu of Warwick County Gaol in 1906:Breakfast: Men – Bread 8oz, porridge 1pt Women & Juveniles – Bread 6oz, Tea 1ptDinner: Men – Bread 6oz, Potatoes 12oz, Beans 12oz, fat bacon 2oz Women & Juveniles – Bread 6oz, Potatoes 6oz, Beans 8oz, fat bacon 2oz Supper: Men – Bread 8oz, Cocoa 1pt Women & Juveniles – Bread 8oz, Cocoa 1pt

The convicts were given to settlers to be employed in exchange for bed and board, this saved the Government of the expense of housing and feeding them. One the prisoner served a third of their sentence they were given a ticket of leave. This entitled the convict to work and earn some money, this helped when their time was up as they could save a nest egg to get started with. In 1823, George was working for a Mr. Lyford in the South Esk area. His records show that in 1825 George had a ticket of leave No.159.
George’s records show:1/6/1824 For disobeying of orders, he received 25 lashes25/1/1825 Riding in a cart with reins to guide the bullocks – Fined 10/-9/3/1825 Playing at cards – to be contained at the Watch house at night for one fortnight03/1825 Drunk & Disorderly – Fined 5/- absent from Muster last Sunday – reprimanded29/9/1825 Illegally harbouring Wm.Percival & Stephen Gladwell, convicts on 24th Sept at 11 o’clock at night – Fined 40 dollars5/2/1826 Disobedience of orders – 50 lashes27/12/1827 Drunk at Police office – Fined 5/-13/10/1931

Assaulting his wife, bound over to keep the peace for 12mths The convicts were encouraged to marry as they were more inclined to work and keep out of trouble, and hopefully become respectable citizens. A lot of convicts had wives or husbands back in England, the authorities decided if they weren’t going back to England they could remarry in Australia.
George Young and Charlotte Fox were married by John Youl at St.Johns Church Launceston V.D.L. on 07/08/1826. James Lyford – George's employer was a witness. George was freed 19/04/1830 as he had served his time. George & Charlotte were living in a half house rented by William Rothwell (Black Bill). Bill stayed with them when he was in town. Black Bill and George come to Australia on the Coromandel together. Charlotte died after an incident with Black Bill and George was left with 3 children on his hands. George remarried again on 23/11/1836, another convict Elizabeth Jones who was 23 years old. She had been sentenced to 7 years for theft. She had been a house servant, was 5ft 1”, 21 years old when convicted and described as dark complexion, with dark brown hair, grey eyes and a small sharp nose.
George came to Port Phillip on 01/12/1848 aboard the Raven. He is listed as a passenger, free by servitude. His own son George came over in steerage (working ticket). It is not known if the rest of the family came as well but presume so as his son John was in Victoria as an adult and told his family he came over as a child. The Raven was a brig which is a 2 masted, square rigged ship of 170 tons.
The next time we hear of George was his admittance to the Melbourne Benevolent Asylum in 1876, this is now know as the Kingston Centre in Cheltenham. Their records show George Young, occupation Bricklayer, place of Birth – England. Age at admission 77yrs. He was a widower with 3 sons and two daughters. The grounds for his application: cataract, recommended by R.Grice.Admitted 8/5/1876 and died 5/10/1879.
George's Death Certificate shows his age as 80 but he was actually 77. He was treated by Dr. Whitaker for Cataract hepatitis, he was treated for 3 weeks before he died. George was buried at Melbourne Cemetary in an unmarked grave (pauper). The undertaker was A.Crawford.

From on Monday, 5 March 2012
Hi, I am researching my family tree and would be grateful if you had any information on George Young and Charlotte Fox from Tasmania or their family. They had a son John who married Bathia Hogg (she arrived on the Bankers Daughter in Geelong) and they lived in Lake Bolac Victoria at Orwell Cottage.
Any info would be much appreciated. Cheers, Allan Warren
From Tasmania records George Young wed 1826 to Charlotte Fox in Launceston. FirstFamily2001 page describes both as convicts, Charlotte died 1834 after birth of 2nd child, George died 1879
George Young died in Victoria, 1799 - 1879 #10833 aged 80, son of Ann and David Young of Birmingham
Charlotte Fox arrived 23 Nov 1825 on the Midas left London on 24 Jul 1825
Charlotte Fox widow with one child, tried at Harwick March 1825, for Highway Robbery, given Life. Comment, 18 Feb 1826, - absent from Muster and Divine Service on Sunday last. Page blank till last line, date 19 Aug 1835 (word Launcn OFF) could be her death at Launceston.
The Cornwall Chronicle, Launceston, Tas. Saturday 5 September 1835 - A verdict of wilful murder was returned against Wm Rothwell by the Coroners Jury on Monday charges with causing the death of Charlotte Young by burning.
From Rootsweb -
During the month of August 1835, William ROTHWELL, alias Black Bill was accused of the wilful murder of Charlotte YOUNG at her house in Launceston Tasmania. Charlotte's seven year old son George witnessed her being pushed on to the fireplace during an argument.

William Rothwell was transported to Tasmania on the same ship as George Young Coromandel (1) I guess there is a story to find out there).

George Young wed 1826 to Charlotte Fox in Launceston.
George Young remarried, to Elizabeth Jones in 1836. They eventually went to the western district of Victoria and was a shepherd for the Henty family.
3 children
of Charlotte
1. George Young may be Charlotte's son
2. John Young 1828 - went to Victoria where he met and wed Bathia Hogg.
3. Mary Ann Young 1830
3. Mary Ann Young 1830 wed 1853 - Launceston, Tas to John Mitchell,
4 children 1. Male Mitchell 1856,
2. Caroline Mitchell 1859 wed 1878 - Launceston,Tasmania to Ernest Housman,
3. Florence Mitchell 1863
4. Ada Alice Mitchell 1867 wed 1891 - Launceston,Tasmania to Frederick Edmund House,

Bathia Hogg

Bethia (Bathia) HOGG chr. 21 Dec 1834 Orwell, Kinross. Father: James HOGG. Mother: Ann RINTOUL. Siblings: David c. 1837 James c. 1839 Lily c. 1841 Ann c. 1844. Bethia married John YOUNG Nov 1855 at Meredith, Victoria, Australia. Any piece of info however small (about any family member) would be gratefully received.
Bathia, listed as Bertha Hogg, is the only passenger surnamed Hogg on this ship.
From website, Jane Grierson and James Broadfoot, together with John, Sarah, Ebenezer and Grace, emigrated to Victoria in 1853 on the 'Banker's Daughter' from Wigton, Scotland), arriving Geelong 3 Sep 1853.
An unknown author kept a diary of the voyage, commencing: May 19th 1853. "We left Birkenhead this evening at seven oclock and was towed out of the Mersey into the sea by a steamboat. While on the way out a lame sailor was discovered on board stowed away among some loose sails he was set on shore with the steamboat when she left us. He came up from Glasgow with some of his friends in the steamboat and remained in secrecy with them till we were out in the river when they informed upon him and he was set ashore with only one shilling." The diary ends on Sep 1st 1853. "At daybreak this morning we saw the land of Australia and about nine oclock we passed Port Phillip Heads and entered the Bay where a Pilot came on board of us and after sailing about five miles they let go the anchor. The entrance to the bay is very narrow not being above two miles in breadth but it spreads out on both sides to a great extent and really the scene is beautiful land on all sides and the bay studded with ships all around us." The ship was in quarantine for 5 days at Point Henry, Geelong.
Assisted Immigrants listed are 471 souls, 55 single women, 16 single men, Widow Third who came with 3 dau, 30 couples and 49 families with 1 or more chn, 84 girls and 53 boys and a total of 137 chn, Graham, Hart and Mcgeachin 8chn, Wallace, Mcdaniel and Mcintosh with 7chn, and Condie, Fowler, Mccrummon, Mckeegan, Mcpherson, Stewart and Swayne with 6chn
80 Husbands = total in years 2616, average 32 years 8 months, range 57 to 19, 26 aged 39 or more, median 31
The Times of London Newspaper 16.5.1854 - From Madras we learn the total loss of the ship Banker's Daughter, bound from Port Phillip to Bombay, and of the barks Hosannah and Hamoody, of this port; the two former vessels were wrecked on the Maldive, the latter on the Laccadive Islands. We are happy to add that the crews were all saved.

John Young wed 1855 #3537 to Bathia Hogg and lived at Modewarre, Wickliffe, Lake Bolac. Bertha Hogg aged 18 came as single woman, arrived at Geelong 3 Sep 1853 on the Bankers Daughter ship, 1040 tons, J Place master, from Liverpool with 380 Govt immigrants. Ship was put into Quarantine due to fever on board. On 9 Sep the Quarantine was lifted and the Board of Immigration will sit about noon, on board the said ship
10 Children 1. Ann Young 1856 #13086 born at Modewarren, wed 1879 #3366 to Alexander Sutherland
2. George Young 1859 #3211 born at Boluc
3. Charlotte Young 1863 #11396 born at Wickliffe,
4. James Young 1864 #25563
5. Mary Ann Young 1866 #18649
6. Lillias Nancy Young 1868 #13014 wed 1899 #7305 to Alex Murray
7. John Edward Young 1870 #9489 - 1898 aged 28 born and died at Lake Boga
8. David Young 1872 #3355 wed 1899 #3423 to Lucy Emma Dawson
9. Eveline Bathia Young 1874 #16784
10. William Sterling Young 1876 #24162
3. Charlotte Young 1864 - 1886 #40 aged 22, wed 1885 #4678 to Henry Derrick

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