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From Kenneth Henry Unwin, email bounced 17 June 2010, who is the researcher for James Ramage and Jane Kelly, who came 1853 on the Bankers Daughter. This material, with precious dates, was provided by Ken and received with many thanks.

Hugh Rammage christened 5 Aug 1751 - 1829 aged 78, son of Christian Hogg and James Ramage, wed at Prestonkirk, East Lothian, on 20 May 1780 to Janet Kemp christened 18 Mar 1750 - 1838 aged 88, born at Prestonkirk to Marion Brooke and William Kempt.

Children
include
1. James Rammage 6 Jan 1781, baptised 14 Jan 1781 at Prestonkirk, died 12 Apr 1859 at Inverness
2. William Rammage 28 July 1783 baptised 2 Aug 1783 at Prestonkirk, died 3 Dec 1856 at Haddington
3. Hugh Rammage 23 Feb 1786 baptised 26 Feb 1786 at Prestonkirk
4. Andrew Rammage 2 Dec 1788 baptised 14 Dec 1788 at Prestonkirk
1. James Rammage 6 Jan 1781, baptised 14 Jan 1781 at Prestonkirk, died 12 Apr 1859 at Inverness, wed 25 Nov 1802 at Canongate, Edinburgh, to Elizabeth Hardie 6 June 1780 - 1855
Children
include
1. Hugh Rammage 1 Jul 1805 at Tarbat by Fearn, wed Ann Watson
2. Jane/Jean Rammage 25 June 1808 - 12 Aug 1884 died at Lesmahagow
3. Elizabeth Rammage 22 June 1811 - 1886 died at Geelong, Victoria, wed 1874 at Geelong to Henry Russell
4. James Rammage 14 July 1814 at Geanies, Rosshire - 25 Nov 1885 died at Lara, Victoria, wed 1845 at Maybole to Jane Kelly.
2. William Rammage 28 July 1783 baptised 2 Aug 1783 at Prestonkirk, died 3 Dec 1856 at Haddington, wed 13 Jan 1806 at Prestonkirk, to Jean/Jane Hunter 1782 - 24 Aug 1862 at Haddington. No known children.

4. Andrew Rammage 2 Dec 1788 baptised 14 Dec 1788 at Prestonkirk, wed 29 Nov 1822 at Colinton/Hailes to Lilias Napier
Children
include
1. Margaret Rammage 29 Apr 1824 at Colinton
2. Alexander Suttie Rammage 9 Nov 1825 at Colinton
3. Agness Rammage 18 Feb 1827 at Colinton
4. George Rammage 9 Nov 1828 at Colinton
5. Mary Rammage 23 Jan 1831 at Colinton
6. Ann Caroline Rammage 28 Oct 1832 at Colinton
7. Lilias Rammage 16 Apr 1837 at Newton
8. Henry (?) Rammage 1853 at Edinburgh
1.4. James Ramage son of James, son of Hugh, 14 July 1814 at Geanies, Rosshire - 25 Nov 1885 died at Lara, Victoria, (Ken says son of Elizabeth Kemp and Hugh Rammage, Victorian death Indexes list Elizabeth Hardy and James Ramage) aged 71, wed 1845 at Maybole to Jane Kelly, 29 Aug 1820 borm at Minigaff, died 1 Nov 1906 at Gembrook, Victoria, daughter of Margaret Campbell and Robert Kelly.
5 children 1. Elizabeth Ramage 11 Mar 1846 - 30 Aug 1930 #11229 aged 83 wed George English
2. James Ramage 1849 - 1928 #14404 aged 79
3. Margaret Ramage 1852 - 1869 #3961 aged 17
4. Jane Ramage 1858 #2593 - 1945 #20297 aged 87 wed Joseph Moyle
5. Robert Ramage 1860 #8547 lived 1 year
1.4.1. Elizabeth Ramage 11 Mar 1846 - 30 Aug 1930 #11229 aged 83 wed c1873 to George English 1850 - 1925, son of Hannah Martin and James English, born in Suffock and died at Oakleigh, Victoria. They lived at Hovells Creek 1874, Lara 1876-9 then Tungamah in Victoria.
5 children 1. Adeline Margaret English 1874 - 1970 #4395 aged 96, born at Hovells Creek, wed Stocks
2. Minnie English 1876 - 1968 #22403, did not marry, died at Boxhill
3. James English 1878 - 1965 #19383 died at Rosebud
4. George English 1880
5. Bessie English 1885 - 1973 #30372 aged 88, wed Harvie
1.4.2. James Ramage 1849 - 1928 #14404 aged 79, born 9 Apr 1848 at Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland and died 4 Oct 1925 at Dandenong, Victoria, Australia, wed 1876 #34 to Janet Jerimiah Dickson 1857 - 1935 #13081 aged 78. They lived at Berwick then Pakenham.
10 children 1. James Ramage 1877 - 28 Oct 1950 born at Berwick, died in W.A,
2. George Ramage 1879
3. Margaret Ramage 18 Sep 1880 #17746 - 20 Nov 1963 #24392 died at Toora aged 83
4. Jane Ramage 1882 #18089 - 1933 #6965 aged 50 died at Prahan
5. William Ramage 7 Oct 1883 - 22 May 1960 #22172 died at Belgrave aged 76
6. Alexander Ramage 1885 - 1952 #23040 died at Dandenong aged 68
7. Robert Ramage 1887 - 1964 #14047 died at Pakenham aged 77
8. Ethel Maud Ramage 10 Feb 1890 #15968 - 17 Dec 1961 #23704 died at Beaconsfield aged 71, wed Black
9. Lillian Ramage 1892 #16334 - 1956 #408 aged 63, wed Krone
10. David Ramage 1896 #14050
1.4.2.1. James Ramage 1877 - 28 Oct 1950 born at Berwick, died in W.A, wed 1903 #7111 to Clara Lillian Unwin and lived at Box Hill
1 child 1. Olive Mabel Janet Ramage 1904 #23533
1.4.2.2. George Ramage 1879 wed 1903 #4058 to Alice May Munckton 1878 #21702, born at Casterton in Victoria, and lived at Melbourne South
5 children 1. Norman Victor Ramage 1904 #20463
2. Geo Britimart Ramage 1906 #12409
3. James Charles Ramage 1908 #20229
4. Herbt Ronald Ramage 1911 #13157
5. Maud Mona Ramage 1913 #24118
1.4.2.3. Margaret Ramage 18 Sep 1880 #17746 - 20 Nov 1963 #24392 died at Toora aged 83, wed 1904 #5535 to Leslie Nathan Unwin and lived at Yarram then Toora, 3 children
1.4.2.4. Jane Ramage daughter of Ramage Jas + Janet Dickson born 1882 #18089 - 1933 #6965 aged 50 wed 1912 #10611 at Gembrook to Edmund Leach.
William James Edmund Leach was born at Foster, 1913 #22127 when Jane was aged 31.
6. Alexander Ramage 1885 - 1952 #23040 aged 68 died at Dandenong, wed 1908 #8713 to Alice Washado (Wardlaw)
2 children 1. Harold Victor Ramage 1909 #4686
2. Rodney Alexr Ramage 1909 #28668


From on Wednesday, 16 June, 2010

Hi, I came across your Ramage information and thought I'd write to provide a snippet of Ramage information and also to correct you on one thing.
6. Alexander Ramage 1885 - 1952 #23040 aged 68 died at Dandenong, wed 1908 #8713 to Alice Washado (Wardlaw)
I'm not sure if this was a typo, but it should be Alice Mashado, not Washado. She was 4th born from John Wardlaw and Mary Anne Tooley of Avoca (sister to Annie, who also married a Ramage). She was married first to Francis Mashado but divorced after Francis (Frank) returned from shearing to find Alice having an affair with Alexander and carrying his child!
Please see the following:
Monday, May 25 (Before the Chief Justice) MASHADO V. MASHADO
Francis Edward Mashado (42), labourer, of Frenchman's, near Maryborough, sought a dissolution of his marriage with Alice Mashado (38) on the ground of misconduct. Alexander Ramage being joined as co-respondent. The parties were married on May 2, 1894, at Avoca. There are eight children living, the oldest being 13 years. After the marriage, husband and wife went to New South Wales, and remained for a year. About Christmas, 1905, the wife took up a selection at Frenchman's, on which the husband erected a four-roomed house. In October 1905, the wife confessed misconduct, but was forgiven, and they lived together until 1906, though the wife had said that she hated him.
Previous to that he had gone to New South Wales shearing. He sent her money at regular intervals, but when he returned in 1906 he found that she had been guilty of misconduct, and shortly afterwards gave birth to a child. She admittd that Ramage was the father, and Ramage himself subsequently signed a statement to the same effect.
A decree ? with ?, was granted, the father to have the custody of all the children but the youngest. Mr Pigott (instructed by Messrs Moule, Hamilton, and Kiddle, as agent for Mr F. S. Herring, of Maryborough), appeared for the petitioner.
The Argus (Melbourne), Tuesday 26 May, 1908.
Hope you found this interesting, best regards, Darren Wardlaw (great-great grandson of John Wardlaw and Martha Spratt Wise)


1.4.4. Jane Ramage 1858 #2593 - 1945 #20297 aged 87, wed 1886 #275 to Joseph Moyle 1855 - 1940, born in Melbourne, son of Margaret Sullivan and William Moyle and lived at Lara, Victoria.
The only record of this family are
John Moyle died at Creswick 1860 #8294 aged 8 months, son of William and Margaret
William Moyle son of William and Margaret Sulivan born at Collingwood 1860 #17633 lived 17 days
6 children 1. Margaret (Maggie) Moyle 1887 - 1985 died at Swan Hill
2. William (Bill) Moyle 1889 #13834 - 1934
3. Alice Moyle 1891 #24658 - 1983 died at Canterbury
4. Elizabeth (Beth) Moyle 1893 #24011 - 1979 died at Kew
5. Jessie Moyle 1895 #4841 - 1979 died at Kew
6. Jean Moyle 1897 #29278 - 5 June 1923 died at Pakenham


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