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John Pilley wed 24 Dec 1821 to Harriet Hinton at St Mary-De-Lode'S, Gloucester, Gloucester, England and all the children were Christened at Wesl Ebenezer Chap, Cheltenham, Gloucester, England
7 children 1. John Hinton Pilley Birth: 17 Feb 1823 Christening: 03 Jun 1823 son of Harriott and John
2. William Pilley Birth: 24 Mar 1825 Christening: 01 Jun 1825 son of Elizabeth and John
3. George Pilley Birth: 09 Jul 1827 Christening: 04 Sep 1827 son of Hannah and John
4. Harriott Pilley - Christening: 05 Jul 1831 dau of Harriott and John
5. Mary Jane Pilley - Christening: 30 Aug 1829 dau of Harriott and John
6. Robert Hinton Pilley Christening: 30 Aug 1829 son of Harriott and John
7. Josiah Hinton Pilley c1831

on 4 May 2008 has sent a copy of the death certificate of 14 month old George Benjamin Pilley who died by Asphyxia and was buried at Sea in a Protestant service led by Captain John Mckerlie, shows he died at 40"22'S and 13"20'W on 30 August 1857
The Blackwall had sailed from London on 9 July and arrived at Hobson Bay (Melbourne) on 16 October
Days at sea - 22 + 31 + 30 + 16 = 99, and the child died and was buried on Day 51 of being at Sea.
40"22'S and 13"20'W shows Captain John McKerlie was just south and east of the volcanic island Tristan da Cunha, named after the Portugese sailor who sighted them in 1506 - the main island ( 37°6' S, 12°16' W) (area: 98 km˛, 38 sq mi) in those days occupied by a British military garrison, with civilian whalers, and a stopping port for journeys from Europe before the Suez Canal was opened in 1869.
This is in the South Atlantic Ocean, west of Africa, on the same latitude as Bass Strait, the water between Victoria and Tasmania, and on the traditional 'Roaring Forties' route, the Clipper Route followed by ships sailing between England and Australia/New Zealand.


2. William Pilley c1823 son of John Pilley, wed 15 Nov 1843 to Sarah Wesley c1823 dau of John Wesley (both aged 20), at All Saints, Derby, Derby, England
Sarah Wesley Birth: 29 Jan 1824 Christening: 18 Apr 1824 at Wirksworth, Derby, England dau of John Wesley wed 24 Jul 1817 to Ann Simms at Wirksworth, Derby, England
William Pilley c1826 came Oct 1857 on the Blackwall aged 31 with Sarah Pilley aged 30, born c1827, with 4 children, John 11, William 10, Harriet 8 and infant George B,
They appear to have returned to UK - Pilley ---- Mr A(dult) on the European in May 1858 to Southampton
5 children 1. John Pilley c1844 - John Wesley Pilley registered 1844 Mar quarter, Vol 19, page 464, in Belper, Derbyshire
2. William Pilley 1846 known to be 16 in 1861 UK Census.
3. Harriet Pilley June quarter 1849
4. George Benjamin Pilley Sep quarter 1856 - 1857 #200M lived 14 months, died at Sea
5. Alice born 1859 in Cheltenham, UK

From on Mon, 28 Apr 2008

Hi, I descend from William Pilley's son John Wesley - his daughter Mary May Pilley born 1881 was my paternal grandmother.
I was interested to see that you have evidence of William coming to Australia with his family in 1857. This is completely new to me as the 1861 census shows him back in London. I also had no idea about William Pilley's son William dying and there being a George Benjamin Pilley born in 1856 and a second William Pilley born in 1857. The next child I have after Harriet is Alice born 1859 in Cheltenham.
I'd be really interested to hear more about the Australian connection although I did know about William's brothers Josiah and George coming to Australia. I have plenty of info on the family in England if you have any gaps and also a good contact for Josiah Pilley who returned to England (he descends from George Dembinski).
Many thanks and I hope to hear from you, John Turner



7. Josiah Pilley 21 (born c1831) came Dec 1853 on the Launceston - can not find when he returned to UK
Marriages Sep 1855 - Josiah Pilley and Ellen Thornton in Thanet Vol 2a page 913. The district Thanet is in the county of Kent
The Sultana from Liverpool came 12 Jan 1856 with John H Pilley 24 and Helen Pilley 23 who were Sterage passengers (ship arrival recorded in 'Port Phillip Herald', only 13 adults in Cabin listed, were also 205 in steerage)
George Dembinski Pilley was born at Sea 1856, son of Ellen Thornton and Josiah Pilley
Ellen Thornton had another child, and her husband's name is shown as Josiah Hinton Pilley
And the family returned to UK - Pilley Josh 30 on the Laurence Brown in Aug 1863 travelling to Port Chalmers
2 children 1. George Dembinski Pilley 1856 #670 born at Sea
2. John Ernest Thornton Pilley 1858 #853 - 1858 #950 lived 3 months
3. George Pilley Birth: 09 Jul 1827 Christening: 04 Sep 1827 at Wesley Ebenezer Chap, Cheltenham, Gloucester, England son of Hannah (Harriet Hinton) and John Pilley
George Pilley 24 (born c1828) came Nov 1852 on the Ballarat - can not find when he returned to UK
Marriages Dec 1858 - George Pilley and Louisa Ruck in Cheltenham Vol 6a Page 815. The district Cheltenham is in the county of Gloucestershire
George Pilley 1828 - 1919 #19110 aged 91, son of George Pilley, and Louisa Ruck 1837 - 1908 #15437 aged 71, daughter of Hart Spence and Unknown Ruck, came May 1859 on the Kent and lived at Melbourne then St Kilda
11 children 1. Harriet Louisa Pilley 1859 #17459 - 1860 #799 lived 7 months
2. George Hinton Pilley 1860 #18808
3. Alice Marion Pilley 1862 #9506 lived 9 years
4. Albert Edward Pilley 1863 #16042 (see letter below)
5. Herbert Leslie Pilley 1865 #11725
6. Fredrick William Pilley 1866 #18188
7. Edith Maud Pilley 1869 #9775
8. Ernest Arthur Pilley 1872 #3543 lived 6 months
9. Flor Louisa Pilley 1873 #25651
10. Mabel Somerset Pilley 1876 #5466
11. Walter Reginald Pilley 1878 #19391
2. George Hinton Pilley 1860 #18808 wed 1888 #2481 to Annie Maud Wolstenholme 1867 - 1942 #4786 aged 75,
4 children 1. Annie (Annice) Maude Pilley 1890 #8032
2. Geo Wolstenholm Pilley 1891 #37414 lived 10 days
3. Twin Roy Leslie Hinton Pilley 1893 #32053
4. Twin Doris Edith Flor Pilley 1893 #32054 lived 6 months
1. Annie (Annice) Maude Pilley 1890 #8032 wed 1912 #10741 to Chas Horie Kernot who appears to be Charles Home Kernot 1885 #17439 born at Essendon
5. Herbert Leslie Pilley 1865 #11725 - 1952 #6945 aged 87, wed 1896 #6813 to Sarah Edith Turner 1871 - 1939 #5243 aged 68, no known children
7. Edith Maud Pilley 1869 #9775 wed 1891 #3711 to Geo Hy Newman
3 Children 1. Rupert Geo Newman 1892 #30136
2. Kenneth Fossey Newman 1895 #4611
3. Geoffrey Clifford Newman 1900 #11580
9. Flor Louisa Pilley 1873 #25651 - 1942 #13638 aged 69 wed 1896 #2895 to Earnest Jno Bayley from Bucks, UK, and lived in Hawthorn
2 children 1. Wm Geo Bayley 1897 #26967 - 1961 #8831 aged 65
2. Ernt Keith Bayley 1900 #27054
10. Mabel Somerset Pilley 1876 #5466 wed 1907 #3824 to Saml Edwd Byrne Grimwood
11. Walter Reginald Pilley 1878 #19391 - 1954 #13142 aged 76, wed 1907 #3823 to Ruby Persia Southey 1886 - 1944 #276 aged 58, and lived at Campbells Ck then Castlemaine
2 children 1. Walt Geo Pilley 1908 #17382 lived 1 month
2. Nancy Maie Pilley 1910 #9837

From Lisa Mihaljevic on Fri, 14 Jul 2006, email bounced 29 Apr 08

Hi Elizabeth, Yes Albert did leave Victoria, he went to NSW actually he went to Goulburn NSW I know he was a chemist & owned A shop in Goulburn then in Sydney. He died in Sydney in 1924. He married in Goulburn in 1892 to Isobel Hedridge. They had 2 children Maie Louisa Pilley & Hugh Alexander Pilley.
Hugh is my pop, he is my father's father.
I am noticing u think George's parents are John & Hannah I used to think this, until another Pilley researcher from Wales informed me the mother's name is Harriet not Hannah. Harriet Hinton is her name & gels with why the Pilley boys have Hinton in their name. I can tell u more if u like. I am finding Victorian sites aren't very helpful eg: pay for bdm, nsw is free. This is why I haven't a lot because vic is harder.
I have more info about England than Vic. Write back.



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