From on Mon, 1 Nov 2004|
My Ancestor James Fraser married Hannah Woodhouse Loose in about 1804, they had 17 children between 1805 and 1834, one being my Great Grandfather Robert Fraser ( 1822-1881) who was married in County Cork to Barbara Elinor Atkin. He had a sister named Hannah and also a brother named Simon (born 1st June 1818).
Neil Fraser, currently in Ontario Canada.
and on Wednesday, 5 August, 2009
Neil noticed the James Fraser Physician listed on Directory for Munster, page showing Tramore, Tulla or Tulloh, Waterford. The population of the parish of Tulla in 1841 was 8,748, with 1217 of that number living in the town.
James Fraser is the physician and surgeon, and Neil thinks he is a brother of Simon, son of Hannah and James Fraser.
James Fraser 1784 - 1843 aged 59 son of Alexander and Magdalane Fraser, wed 1804 to Hannah Woodhouse Loose 1786 - ? in Ireland.
Detail from Ancestry page
1. James Fraser, 1805 believed by Neil to be the Physician of Munster|
2. Charles Fraser, 1807
3. William Edward Fraser, 1808
4. Magdelen Fraser, 1810
5. John Geyrick Fraser, 1813
6. Henry Fraser, 1814
7. Alexander Fraser, 1816
8. Simon Lovat Fraser, 1818
9. Francis Octavius Fraser, 1819, wed Mary Abram
10. Hannah Woodhouse Fraser, 1821
11. Robert Fraser, 1823
12. Lucious Fraser, 1824
13. Madeline Fraser, 1825 wed John Millar
14. Charlotte Emily Fraser, 1828
15. Emily Randileur Fraser, 1830
16. David Falconer Fraser, 1834 - 1905 #4845 aged 71, wed 1868 #4166 in Victoria, to Maria Milburn Prichard from Monmouthshire
8. Simon Lovat Fraser 1818 - 1892 #13275 aged 74 died at Caulfield, son of Hannah Woodhouse Loves and James Fraser, came 1852 with Susan Mary Rochead 18 Oct 1824 - 1901 #5132 aged 76 died at Caulfield, dau of Cath Gibbs and John Rochead.|
The El Dorado came Nov 1852 with 361 passengers, including the Fraser family of Simon 34, Mrs, Kate 7, June 6, Hannah 5 and infant.
and lived at Prahran, then at Caulfield.
A renewal of wedding vows? - Simon Lovat Fraser from County Clare wed 1883 #3792 to Susan Mary Cleghorn Rochead from Edinborough.
Susanna Mary Cleghorn Rochead born 18 Oct 1824 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland to Catherine Gibb who wed 18 Jan 1806 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland to John Rochead, the last of 6 daughters, Elizabeth 11 Jan 1808, Jane 11 Jan 1810, Catherine Christian Rochead 24 Jul 1816, Frances Rochead 14 Sep 1818, Georgiana Agnes Rochead 10 May 1820 and Susanna Mary Cleghorn Rochead 18 Oct 1824
1. Kate Fraser 1845 - 1872 #496 aged 28, (7yrs in 1852)|
2. June Fraser 1846 (6) could be Jessie Lovat Fraser wed Josiah Eustace Dodd and 2nd child Elsie Lovat Fraser Dodd 1881
3. Hannah Fraser 1847 (5)
4. James Fraser died 1853 #28980 aged 1 month
5. Edith Isabel Fraser 1854 #4191 wed 1883 #65 to Thomas Henry Prichard
6. Emily Mary Fraser 1856 #7392 - 1887 #9552 aged 31, wed 1886 #25 to Joseph Walter Terrill
7. Christina Fraser 1859 #11992
8. Lilly Lucretia Fraser 1861 #6631
9. Josephine Mary Fraser 1863 #10093 - 1866 #9233 aged 3 years
10. Arthur Simon Lovat Fraser 1864 #18531
1. Katherine Fraser 1844 - 1872 #496 aged 28, from Clare, wed 1869 #3562 to Slingsby Davies from Yorkskire,
1. Simon Lovat Fraser Davies 1870 #25455|
2. Slingsby Davis 1872 #920
3. Hannah Woodhouse Fraser from Cork, wed 1874 #2514 to Slingsby Davies,
3. William Davies 1875 #7376|
4. Susan Mary Davies 1876 #21186 lived 9 months
5. Katherine Isabel Davies 1878 #6396
6. Henry Davies 1879 #20615
7. Hannah Frances Davies 1882 #122
8. Lillian May Davies 1883 #6532
9. Violet Davies 1885 #7276 lived 1 year
10. Sopia Emmie Davies 1888 #855
6. Edith Isabel Fraser 1854 #4191 wed 1883 #65 to Thomas Henry Prichard born in England and lived in Levuka, Fiji,
7. Emily Mary Fraser 1856 #7392 - 1887 #9552 aged 31, wed 1886 #25 to Joseph Walter Terrill 1861 #16223 son of Amelia Robe and Thomas Terrill (wed 1853 #4058 as Amelia Thompson to Thomas Terrell, and in birth registrations called Amelia Thompson Robe.) Lived at Bairnsdale
1. Gladys Mary Irene 1886 #23517 - 1887 143 lived 4 months
7. Christina Fraser 1859 #11992 wed 1894 #2715 to William Kerr and lived in Ballarat
1. John William Kerr 1896 #8560
8. Lilly Lucretia Fraser 1861 #6631 wed 1891 #6750 to Henry George Wilson Williams 1863 #10906 - 1892 #12950 aged 29, son of Elizabeth Wilson wed 1854 #2919 to John Robert Williams of South Yarra.
11. Robert Fraser wed 1859 #912 to Mary Amelia Josephine Mertens 1848 - 1919 aged 78|
1. Margaret Winnifred Fraser 1860 #4865 at Sand?|
2. James Leder Fraser 1862 #3258 at Maldon
3. Frederick William Fraser 1864 #5102
4. Robert Fraser 1867 #2531 at Heathcote
5. William Mertens Fraser 1870 #2943
6. Mary Isabella Fraser 1872 #5320
7. Flora Macdonald Fraser 1874 #12592 - 1875 #4583 lived 1 year, at Tarnagulla
8. Alfred Edwin Fraser 1876 #11923 - 1877 #12335 lived 19 months
9. Jessie Louisa Fraser 1878 #1321 at Loddon
10. Louisa Nellie Es Fraser 1879 #21815
11. Vener Walter Edw Fraser 1881 #15016
12. Frank Lovat Fraser 1883 #26658 at Stawell
16. David Falconer Fraser 1834 - 1905 #4845 aged 71, wed 1868 #4166 to Maria Milburn Prichard from Monmouthshire |
The Argus, Tuesday 13 October 1868, Marriages.
FRASER-PRITCHARD. -On the 12th inst, at St Mary's, St. Kilda, by the Rev, F. J. Corbett, David Falconer Fraser, Esq., of the firm of Cooper, Livingston, and Co., of this city, to Maria Milburn, fifth daughter of the late Charles Allen Pritchard, Esq., of Collingwood.
Charles Allan Prichard 1799 - 1867 #7985 aged 67, son of Elizabeth and Thomas Prichard, and Agnes Westwood Pollard 1810 - 1867 #1373 aged 56, dau of Elizabeth and Nathan Pollard, both from Monmouthshire, died in Victoria
1. Madeline Ethel Annette Fraser 1869 #19023 - 1953 #7327 aged 83, wed Hunt|
2. Inez Emily Prichard Fraser 1871 #15156
3. Chas Norman Prichard Fraser 1872 #19804
4. Robert Walker Fraser 1874 #19388
5. May Fraser 1879 #5561 - 1879 #3064 lived 2 days
6. Ruby Isobel Fraser 1880 #11864 - 1949 #10605 aged 69, wed Adamson
7. Hirrell Fraser 1885 #21573
8. Vivyan Simon Lovat Fraser 1882 #121315 - 1951 #9869 aged 58 -
From on Sun, 01 Oct 2006|
Subject: Davies family of Australia
Hello Ms Janson
I have recently come across your site, for Davies family
I would very much appreciate any information that you have with respect to this entry
Your entry differs somewhat from my mother’s notes and family tree, however the names are the same, the spouses and children seem to be different or my mother had no entry for them.
We have Slingsby Davies with wife unknown, and 4 children, Sophie and Simeon as two of them. However there is a good chance that my mother’s records are somewhat mixed up. I do not have any record of another Slingsby that was born in Durham.
We have Arthur (later Colonel unattached to the Army and living in Wye Kent in 1841 and 1851) as the father, married to a Catherine Fenwick (Fenwick is later a name within the family). There is a good chance that Fenwick might have been a middle name if the spouse really is Atkinson. We have one of Slingsby’s brother’s married to an Atkinson.
What I would really like is to have any records or knowledge of how to get your records, so we can rule in or out what you have in your listing.
We live in Western Canada and cannot search Australian records.
My grandmother is the granddaughter of one of Slingsby’s brothers.
Many thanks for any help you can give us,
With kind regards
And I replied
As you live in Canada, I will include the Victorian listing for Slingsby and his family up to 1888, when my CD stops.
I will be happy to look for more data in the Indexes for you. That is my source for my entry on Slingsby Davies - and the two links to Fraser and Rayson.
First - I wondered why I could not find baby Slingsby born 1872, and so used his record number, and found his surname was Davis.
Bad recording or parent could not read or write - the usual state for adults in 1870, when the adults had decided that every child in Victoria should go to school and learn the 3rs
As families were unusually large - the average had about 10 children over 20 years - we can understand why parents needed help raising the children.
Second letter on Mon, 02 Oct 2006|
CC: "Ruth Barton" ruthbarton of shaw spot ca
Many thanks for your reply and your help. Your information is very helpful.
Our concerns, questions etc arise from the following your website and the below that you sent : -
We have no spouse for Slingsby Davies (family known as Davis on various census records, but more recently as Davies) christened Headingley, Yorkshire. I thought at first that you had two Slingsby Davies with different wives, but on studying the site more, and the below records, I believe you mean marriage 1 to Katherine Fraser and marriage 2 to Hannah Woodhouse Fraser. Do you know for sure that they were sisters, their birthplaces seem to be different and I assume those are in Ireland (or does Australia have the same names - a common problem with the colony countries like Canada and Australia!) Am I right when I think that Slingsby married both women in Australia? Hannah after the death of Katherine.
My mother shows only 4 children for Slingsby and his unknown wife... Two unnamed and Sophie and Simon. She did not know that he married twice... I think my grandmother probably did not know a great deal about the family that went to Australia and stayed there.
With respect to the Davies (Davis) family, I have information on the forbearers of Slingsby. The one thing that confounds us is the marriage of Arthur (Slingsby's father) to Catherine. Our family records show that he married Catherine Fenwick. Do you have the marriage or a source for that where we could check that you are right and we are not? Family records also show that William Davies (brother to Slingsby) was married to an
I have seen the IGI at Scarborough of a marriage of Arthur Davies and Catherine Atkinson and the date is good, but I don't know if that is the correct Arthur. I would appreciate any information that you have to offer with respect to this for us.
Slingsby Davies (Davis) had three other brothers that we know of who came to Australia, and did not stay. Arthur Davies, who is shown on the 1861 English census as the proprietor of houses and lands in Australia, William, and Henry. One of these (Henry we thought till yesterday) was the father of my great grandfather Charles Arthur Davies, and one of the others (William) was the father of my great grandmother Ellen Augusta Davies. Charles and Ellen were first cousins and married and they were both born in Australia.
I would very much appreciate the birth records if you have them for Arthur Charles Davies born Prahran Australia 21/04/1854 Arthur Charles had a brother Fairfax who was also born in Australia c1856 Ellen Augusta Davies born Dandenong Australia 10/11/1857 Ellen had two siblings, Catherine Mary Davies born Australia c 1856
And Arthur Harwood Davies born c1861
If we get the birth records of Arthur Charles and/or Fairfax we will know for sure whether Henry or Arthur is the father of them.
The records for the Davies Family show that early census records in 1841 and 1851 have the name as Davis more often than not, but it seems that by the time of the Slingsby's childrens' generation all families were called
Davies, and that was the name of my great grandfather Arthur Charles and his cousins etc. I do not think that the variations in the name are due to the inability to read and write as in many branches (of our family and others).
Often it is a mistake by the census taker who writes what he or she hears.
However, Slingsby's father was Arthur Davies, who became a Colonel, and mostly lived on his own means. He was generally unattached or on half pay with the army and was a farmer of 300 acres+ at Withersdane Hall in Wye Kent And on all census records there were governesses and servants. I think they were fairly well educated.
I do not have any record of the Reardon or George Slingsby, though there is a branch of Slingsbys that are somehow related to the Davies. It was my understanding that a Thomas Slingsby or someone was a brother to one of the wives of the Davies sons at some stage. There was a Charles Henry R Slingsby who lived here in Victoria and was a cousin of my grandmothers and came from England with his wife.
Well, I have asked a lot of questions, and I do so appreciate your contact and your help.
Kind regards, Judith
I have cc'd my sister Ruth on this as she is working on the family tree with me.
And I replied
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006
This is just a start - nearly bed time here in Victoria, Australia.
I have two web pages
Notes- These references all come from the Victorian Index, each state is separate.
You can purchase these certificates yourself to see what extra information is there - will include the informant for the burials.
For marriage will include ages, birthplaces and parents names, former wife, children living and dead if previously married - can be fun!
I would be hoping that the first marriage of Slibgsby Davies would be where he correctly names his parents - and that would be great.
Second marriage in theory should have the same details with extra about previous wife -
Death certificate would not be reliable unless it confirms what is already known.
For family lists, the idea is to get a certificate for the last born child, expecting the full list of siblings as well as details of parents marriage and ages .. (live in hope). First-born may be better for details of parents...
Katherine Davis 1844 - 1872 #496 aged 28, dau of Frances Rochead and Simon L Fraser of Clare
Katherine Fraser of Clare wed 1869 #3562 to Slingsby Davies of Yorkshire
Hannah Woodhouse Fraser of Cork wed 1874 #2514 to Slingsby Davies of Durham
Simon Lovat Fraser of Co Clare wed 1883 #3792 to Susan Mary Cleghorn Rochead of Edinboro
The El Dorado came Nov 1852 with 361 passengers, including the Fraser family of Simon 34, Mrs -, Kate 7, June 6, Hannah 5 and infant.
Unassisted Immigration to Victoria
Sort for Fraser, El Dorado 1852
or any fields you wish.
For some reason it dowes not give neat alphabetic lists - a bug that appeared a couple of months ago
BMD in Victoria, historical indexes
You can purchase ....